The Hatedick stream made me sick.

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Tue, 03/22/2011 - 18:28

Onomoki

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The Hatedick stream made me sick.

Absolutely despicable.

There are so many actors in this "play", whose behaviour are nothing short of repulsive, but nothing compares to Jason Pullaras violent outburst at the end.

First of all: It´s all very understandable that Big Fazeeks conduct is getting him some heat. The man lies in an almost obsessive compulsive way, and acts very, very... wierd. But that is as far at is goes.

The other participants on the other hand, is reduced to a couple of hyenas. The way you all ganged up och Big Fazeek - was it 6 against 1? - was laughable. You had no intention of giving him a fair chance, all you did was making snarky remarks and giggle. Big D was the only one who manage to actually tell Greg something. The female voice seemed so filled to the brim with hate that she actually idolised a someone who hacked Greg.

One could argue that Greg went out of line sometime with his treath, but honestly... what do you expect when you gang up on a guy, push him into a corner, mock him, trash talk him and giggle at everything he says. Of course it will backlash.

Anyway, i could go on in great detail how utterly cowardly and to put it bluntly; plain mean you all behaved. But i just want to adress something to Jason.

Jason: It is obvious that something isn´t right with Greg. If you hade any knowledge what so ever about psychological pathology: you would understand that Gregs behaviour really isn´t something he can be hold accountable for. A man who repeatedly need to tell lies beyond all reasonable doubt, probably lacks the ability view himself from the outside. This is a man who can´t take an objective look at himself, and he obviously lacks a complete understanding of basic social rules. To go and tell someone like this - who very well may suffer from deep emotional dilemmas - to go and kill himself, is beyond OK. You have no idea the profound effect such words can have on a person like this. And to go beyond that and post shit like: "He´s schizophrenic" is wrong in so many ways, that if you don´t understand that... well i don´t know man. Greg did not speak one mean word to you, he respected your role and did not question your character for once... and for you - who repeatedly reminded everyone that YOU were the boss of the stream - to stoop to such despicable words, well... there is really no excuse for that.

The only one who came out clean from this: was Big Fazeek and Big D (who founded his attacks on honest arguments). The rest of you... you are no better than a couple of 12 year old bullying boys.

You will probably dismiss this comment as "trolling", and delete it. It would not surprise me a bit. If i was exposed to my behavior in this kind of fashion, i would probably also be so ashamed... i just would wish it away.

I have always enjoyed your videos because i enjoyed your persona: you seemed like a nice, cool guy. But after seeing this, i am never - out of prinicple - watching another video of yours again.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 10:25

The Nog

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LordKaT definately gave both sides a fair chance, but its impossible to have a discussion with someone who says he has to go do "something important" every split second someone confronts him with something. Also I find it rather silly to say he can't be held accountable for his actions.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 11:09

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On the subject of psychological disorders, it's actually not that silly.

To hold a man accountable for his actions means you're assuming he could have chosen not to do certain actions. If we're dealing with a compulsive liar, that's not the case. He can't just say: "I'm not gonna lie this time".

Unless of course, you don't believe compulsive behavior and other recognized psychological disorders exist. There are people of that opinion. Not one of them myself.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 17:20

Onomoki

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As a student of psychology

As a student of psychology for 2 years, i can assure you that compulsive behaviour is a well established condition. Unfortunately it usually comes along with a plethora of other problems, mainly in the field och social and emotional skills.

But none of that matter, you don´t need to be a therapeut to understand that something isn´t quite all right with Big Fazeek, and you just don´t tell a person like that to go kill himself. You just don´t. Responding to Big Fazeek constantly "doing something else", well... to me it seemed he resorted to this when the pressure got to high. None the less, the man endured with this group of snarking hyenas for like 3 hours. He played his part, and well beyond.

And for Jason to create a wikipage about this man, claimin he is a schizophrenic doesn´t just go a long way to show off how incredibly illiterate he can be. Greg´s actions doesn´t match schizophrenic symphtoms for dick.

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 08:09

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Are you under the assumption

Are you under the assumption that the idea of HateDick was to antagonize the guy?

That wasn't anywhere close to the original intention. If you listened to the beginning of it, it was meant to be a bridging point between Greg and Candygoblin, the latter of whom was threatened by Greg on countless occasions. LordKaT and his friends DID NOT GO INTO THIS with the intention of "backing someone against the wall" and laughing at him - it's not like they called up some random guy they knew that was "off" and laughed at him.

Be aware of the fact that this man got onto a web reality series broadcast to the public - there's an intensive screening process that goes on behind the scenes to make sure the participants aren't raving lunatics. And as he got accepted, we can only assume they fit some sort of criteria. This guy is crazy, but not so riddled with mental problems that he's impervious to being shown the error of his ways - this guy is a habitual liar, a racist, and a sexist, and Hatedick showed all that, indirectly.

Once again, Hatedick is not meant to poke fun at random people - heck, a second "episode" of this series is so unlikely it's not even funny - but to say that you'll never watch another video of LordKaT's because he and his friends attacked someone who was "vulnerable" or impervious to being called out (bullshit) is overreacting and assumption to the extreme.

You're welcome to your opinions, of course, and you aren't trolling - your viewpoint has been brought up a few times by many different kinds of people. Your points are valid, but counterable.

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 10:09

Onomoki

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First of all, i must commend

First of all, i must commend you for treating my post with honesty and respect. That´s good. Altough much of your arguments didn´t make a whole lot of sense, they were at least there.

First of all: Is a second episode so unlikely it isn´t even funny? Really?! That´s a flat out lie mister.
What about this? http://www.justin.tv/natetmc/b/277143688
5minutes in, LordKat - once again - is telling this guy to go kill himself. Topping that, he actually promises to KILL Greg, if they ever were to meet. Now you tell me, honestly: which is more extreme... a) dismissing a show due to it´s mean spirit, foul mouthing and actual deaththreats b) promising to MURDER a person, for acting wierd and inconsistent in a live stream.

Secondly: Whether HateDick´s original intention was to make fun of someone or not is completely inrelevant. The finished product consisted of pure mockery, and the minute you decided to post it, you decided to post a despicable product, on the cost of another man. It´s basic sense... if you start filming a movie with the intention of it beeing a comedy, and you instead end up filming hardcore sex scene, the finished product is a porno.

Thirdly: Do you really - from the bottom of your heart - measure your ethical standards based on the criteria of entry in a - non television aired - reality show?! You are basicly saying that because some random jury green lighted him, all things go?! That is some of the most twisted, warped morality i´ve ever come across.

Furthering the notion is that wiki page by Jason, expanding on the mockery and bullying of Greg. So don´t come telling me that "we never had the intention of poking fun at someone". You did it for five hours, you posted it on the internet, and you expanded it afterwards. The least you could do, is take responsability for your actions.

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 15:45

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I agree, However...

I agree in that it's the only time I had any personal issue with anything Lord KaT has done. However, I think it's going a bit far (unless it physically bothers you to watch them as a result, in which case it's understandable.)

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 22:41

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As a Student of logic and

As a Student of logic and philosophy, I can say that at the start it was a fair talk, but it degraded into what it became from the total lack of...well caring/intelligence/logic from greg just digging himself deeper and deeper into that hole he was in. Yes one could assume that he is mentally unstable, but you are basing this off of less then 3 or so hours of audio from this guy so even if you are a student of psychology that does not give you the intellectual authority to claim what you did, just as my claim to be a student of logic holds no real point of authority or power.

And sorry i have to stop for a sec and talk about the whole "As a student of this" thing. Don't make that claim. Never make that claim. It makes you seem full of shit, not saying you are but it makes you seem that way. Claiming to be a student in a field for a amount of time is a claim that annotates to dickshit nothing. Yes you could study this for 10 years but for all we know you could be failing and pulling your info out of your ass. Now if you have a degree make that claim, because that denotes you passed classes and proved to a academy you have the knowledge to assume authority on a field of knowledge. This is for you for future reference, now back to the main point.

I personally think that greg deserved what Lordkat and the others did. It was not childish, they tired to be adults but greg dragged it down to that level so Lordkat replied on a level he would understand. So I disagree with what you said. Also making fun of people is not a bad thing, especially if they are stupid. I enjoy doing so. This may make me look like an ass, but I don't care. We all laugh when comedians tell jokes about stupid things and I see nothing wrong with this, now laughing at those who struggle with intelligence due to disability or handicap then there are lines that can be drawn, but not at greg. He deserves what happened.

No matter what it started out as, this event has turned into basically a riff of this guy, and I find it funny as hell. Now if you claim that we should not laugh at this sort of thing because of greg's mental problems, I will have to call bullshit. You stated you are a student of two years and as I stated above that does not mean you know everything and have no claim to call that you know he must have a disorder to be that way, and not just stupid and a compulsive liar, which he is. (compulsive lies may be a condition but not one that is immune to being judged for intelligence)

Also, the claim of murder from lordkat. Don't tell me you never claimed to want to kill someone in an arguemment and if you actually meant it. While greg on the other hand, according to lordkat, has actually tried to find lordkat and his family to kill them.

Fri, 03/25/2011 - 05:53

Onomoki

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Logic? Philosophy? Really?

Deviantdante, you lack a surprising amount of logic and reason. Which is quite ironic, you being a student of logic and philosophy and all. First of all, not once did i use my education as a reference for classifying Greg mentally unstable. If you would have bothered to read this thread properly, you would see that my reference concerned the question whether the condition: "compulsive x" exists or not, in regard to the previous comment. I quote: "As a student of psychology for 2 years, i can assure you that compulsive behaviour is a well established condition." I don´t know how the education works where you live, but here certains criteria has to be met in order to for you to continue. Conditions like compulsive behavior is very basic, well established facts, and - as any student of psychology knows - is being taught fairly early on. My reference served the purpose of backing my claims up with experience. Now this is for your future reference: don´t go rambling on about obvious stuff like the implications of calling yourself a student, when you lack basic understanding about the context. It makes you look confused and arrogant, not saying that you are those things, just saying how it looks.

Secondly: You are saying that i based my assumption about Greg solely on 3 hour hatedick? Where did you get this number from? What do you know about my experience with Greg? You discard my interpretation on Greg, by assuming that my experience of him consists of some random number you drew out your ass? Now that my friend, does not give you the "intellectual authority" to dismiss someones opinion. Being a student of logic and philosophy, you do contradict your self a whole lot.

Regarding your feelings about what happened: i respect those. If this is the kind of things that get you off, that´s something you have to stand for. I personally disagree. I have made no remarks about what people should or should not laugh about, i merely stated my feelings on what went down in that stream.

Fri, 03/25/2011 - 12:02

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*sigh*

I assumed the 3 hour thing because thats roughly how long the whole hatedick thing was, and seeing that there is no real other thing out there that you could base your claims on I would think that it would be easy to assume I was referring to that. Also, I am not saying you are wrong about what you claim, I am only saying there is not enough information to claim you are right. Yes those two things are different. I never make the claim on my own "authority" that I am right over you, only that what you state has flaws. Everyone has flaws, as you pointed out in my post I did not explain things the best I could and must re explain them in a better fashion.

Also I used my standing as a student in logic ans philosophy as a joke, as I pointed out at the end of that paragraph, it holds no claim of authority, so trying to degrade what I state because of I stated that is foolish on your part.

Also, your claim on education to be a valid point in which to claim that you know something, even something basic, is still invalid. Like I stated, you could be failing your two years or getting low grades and your information on claiming to know certain conditions exist and what they mean could be false. I am not saying you are wrong, I am only stating that your means in which to state what you said could be false and you should not use it. My rebutal to that point in your post was to do just that, and me later using that point to say you could be wrong was just that, saying you could be, not that you are.

Yet to a older point you made about Lordkat now basically making fun of the guy in the wiki. If there was a person who, after that hatedick event, and you tried to basically ignore him or try to put it behind you, kept posting threats, demands and other ludricious things on every forum and site that you visit and all attempts to logically talk to this man to stop have failed, and this man has even threatened you and your family, what would you do? Would you say that poking fun of him, degrading him is still bullying? Yes it is not the highest of high roads, but if you argue with someone on a lower level, it is very hard to raise them to yours. So what then is to happen? If ignoring does nothing because he will not stop antagonizing you, then to do what Jason did, I think, is a perfect response. Yes not the most noble and moral but this is the internet we are talking about here.

I never stated in my post that you were wrong, I only implied that you could be by giving my own point and stating other reasons for this. You on the other hand with your first sentence of your response, go right into insulting me, which is a very poor form of argurement. I quote: "Deviantdante, you lack a surprising amount of logic and reason. " This is uncalled for. I did not insult you in my post if you think I did, I only went to point out some falsehoods in the reasonings used by you in your post, never did I attack you personally. If you wish to continue this debate I will, but I must ask for an apology for that personal attack.

Fri, 03/25/2011 - 18:11

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Onomoki

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Sticking to the point.

You being insulted, you - somewhat warped - idea of refering education, and your "jokes" is matters that stray way to far off this thread´s original subject, thus... i shall not elaborate any further upon them. None the less, i am more than satisfied with this phrase. Quoting you: "... is a perfect response. Yes not the most noble and moral but this is the internet we are talking about here."

I totally agree, Jason Pullara´s moral equals internet´s moral. Could not have said it better myself.

Wed, 03/30/2011 - 10:32

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I don't think you realize

That LordKaT was making fun of BF when he said he was going to kill him. I also don't think you realize that BF has actually tried to make good on his death threats and the police have been involved.

This guy needs a mental institution or jail time. You sticking up for him just makes me wonder about your sanity, because nobody in the right frame of mind would stick up for this A-hole after all that has happened. I'm Bi-polar, ADHD, have MPS, everything short of straight up having schizophrenia and even I know that you don't TRACK SOMEONE DOWN BECAUSE YOU GOT BUTTHURT ON THE INTERNET. There's no excuse for his behavior, now kindly stop sticking up for BF. You're just going to make yourself look as bad as him.

Wed, 04/06/2011 - 17:57

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In my opinion if someone is,

In my opinion if someone is, speading lies and making false claims about a person, threating them with physical violence, and constantly making unprovoked threats and offering money to have someone's identity revealed and when confronted makes up lies to come off as sympathetic as possible, then they deserve pretty much everything that is thrown at them.
It doesn't help that BF randomly attempted to insult lordkat a good week or so after the whole thing had happened.

Fri, 04/15/2011 - 09:34

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LordKaT

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Onomoki, I really do want to

Onomoki, I really do want to apologize for not responding to this earlier. I'm sure you're not going to read this as it's incredibly late, but I don't really care.

I've received a lot of negative feedback in regards to "hatedick" - especially from people within the psychological fields. Many of them have said the same thing: Greg respected my role, we acted like 12 year olds, and I should not have told Greg to kill himself.

First, let me say that the idea of the video was simple: we were in a Skype call talking about The Tester with everyone from the show - but everyone kept bad-mouthing Greg. One of the persons in the call had Greg on Skype, told him what was going on and told him that I would let him come on the stream to defend himself.

There was also some drama about a hacker having his passwords and other garbage. We arranged to have that guy on the stream with Greg. It was like a weird episode of Howard Stern mixed with Riki Lake mixed with hate. Lots and lots of hate.

Now I need to say that I had NEVER watched The Tester, and my impression of Greg was that he was just a normal, everyday dickhead who had a massive social falling out with these people, and it was a situation that could have been corrected.

The reason I thought this was because we've solved several social misunderstandings in the past with this method and it worked out for the best. Several people who "hated" me and my friends were invited to come on the stream and just talk to us. They were brought on in the same way Greg was treated the same way - by me, at least - as the other guys were, and asked similar questions.

In hindsight, this particular situation was completely unfair. I don't disagree with that point in the least - hindsight being 20/20, and all that. What I anticipated and what played out were two entirely different things.

From the beginning, I disagree with the idea that Greg "respected" my role of being the stream owner. He, in fact, made fun of my position several times throughout the night, and outright threatens to choke and harm people. That type of action is in severe violation of the UStream Terms of Service, and as far as I'm concerned that's not showing respect for me.

If you watch the stream, you'd also notice that several people have never been back on the stream, and with good reason - they acted incredibly immature, and have not been invited back since. Quite frankly, I let it roll because it was funny, and the hatedick video continues to make me money because of it.

As far as telling Greg to kill himself - you're right, I probably should not have said that. It was late, I was tired, I was a little drunk, it was Christmas Eve, and I didn't care for anyone in the call anymore. I ended the stream shortly after that and went to bed.

My opinion of Greg hasn't changed one bit since then, though. In fact, its only gotten worse. I do not, will not, and can never view him as just a man with a mental problem. In my interactions with him post-hatedick, I have come to believe that he is a danger to himself and to others. He has gone as far as to find my parents home address, their names, social security numbers, and has threatened to not only kill me but (and I quote) "kill everyone you love and force feed their bodies to you."

Did I bring this on myself? Absolutely. Do I regret making hatedick? Partially. While it still brings in site viewers and revenue, it has also cost me several opportunities to work with larger companies.

There are mentally ill people in the world that can deal with their handicap just fine - they understand that they've got serious problems, and they take their medication regularly. Greg can't be bothered to take his medication until his brother/father/caretaker (I don't know who he is) forces him to.

And, no, I'm not making fun of him in the above statement. He really is medicated, and he really does have a severe mental disability (as was obvious in hatedick). He also refuses to take his medication until he's forced to and after he takes it ... he acts like a normal human being (ie: doesn't threaten to kill them over petty shit) that just wants unmedicated Greg and his problems to disappear.

Ultimately, do I care about any of this? Not really. I only have sympathy for the people who have to deal with him on a daily basis, and not for Greg himself.

Thu, 09/29/2011 - 02:33

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Talk about reviving a dead horse!

LordKat, I'm sure you're not going to read this as it's incredibly late too, but I don't really care as well.

First off, I could care less about Greg. He brought the shit storm onto himself by volunteering to enter into the vulture pit (your UStream channel) that included a somewhat intimidating wanker, a retarded laughing hyena that rides a scooter, and even a banshee whose voice could rupture the cochlea of peoples ears by wailing "YOU'RE STRULLLLIN!"

I don't wanna fucking hear that goblin's voice in any of your future videos. Thanks.

What I do care about is one honest fact: That you did it for the $$$ as you typed it yourself:

"Quite frankly, I let it roll because it was funny, and the hatedick video continues to make me money because of it."

I found the 2-part video funny too, hate-filled and unfair as it was. THAT is entertainment.
Oh and nice mock-wiki article on Big Fazeek by the way, real classy!

You want mo' money Jason? Make dat purdy lil' website of yours moar spiffy and lively?

Make more controversial videos like this.

Sun, 10/16/2011 - 20:39

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Reese Kaine

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Let's not lose focus here.

Unless I'm missing something here, the whole thing started when Greg called CB's sister a really mean name and "hopes she dies in a fire."

If she were my sister, I would have broke his neck for that comment. Behavior problems or not, there are simply certain things YOU. JUST. DO. NOT. SAY.

I enjoyed the evening, and it was a sweet Christmas present from LordKaT. :-D